meh good idea but it will end up being the same...people will find a way to easy run it like they do now just to lvl....or...they will just think its to hard and painfull compared to the original and will just move on to another game...and it doesnt work for achievement also cause in diablo someone will find a way to solo it just like they did in D2 for chaos trist...and then you will just limit everyone else...
There is no easy way to run a dungeon that is composed of so many floors (100 or even endless), knowing that if you quit or die you will be sent back to lv.1 .. this will encourage people to team up and have fun fighting their way down that dungeon, even single players with well built characters can challenge that dungeon on their own .. but you need to be very good at the game to survive so it will provide a fresh challenge for both teams of casual players and skilled loners too.
And like many suggested .. you lose everything you gained in there if you die (XP, items and maybe even gold) ... so it is not a good place for those who want to farm ... only those who want to have fun will enjoy that dungeon.
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Diablo is not a teamplay game..im sorry but its not...its fun with more people in it...but turning it into a perma retardness like WoW is just asking to break the game and destroy the series
Sorry, but if you have been keeping up with the interveiws you would have noticed that Jay Willson said several times that D3 unlike D2 will emphasize on team play and co-op while also making sure every single class/character is a DPS class and can still fight on its own well enough.
It is all about making it way more fun as a team (fun but not an obligation)
Diablo was meant from the very beginning to be like that but the stupid PKers ruined that .. now things will be set right with Pking gone for good.
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I'd love a system like this - Some place where godly characters go to test "Invincible" builds - A place where people can boast "I got up to Lvl 37!", "I got up to Lvl 43! Ha! Pwned!", "Omg - 43!?!? Show me how???"
A place where you can actually die!
Exactly
|||emphasize doesnt mean it will be...just like D2 emphasize teamplay but you still end up fighting to get the loot or people loot stealing and the like..sorry but Diablo is fast paced...and the solo part is what made it so popular...most hardcore gamer that stuck with it dont item hunt in team...just look how many solo game there is with password..this simple exemple show you how much people like diablo solo...im not saying they dont like to play in team either....but we play in team for something...want another exemple...you got tons of moron that fake rush making char go in hell that arent rdy and then get stuck having to go check on another char to get another Baal game to lvl till they are rdy...you call that teamplay?...in WoW you got retard that pay and still make tons of trouble...think a FREE game wont have that LOL rigghhhttt in your dream...go play D2 now and seriously if you really want to teamplay with someone that would backstab you for an HoZ or Soj then you will know what im talking about /wink wink :P...not that there is only jerk in gaming but 90% of the gamer can change into total retard in a matter of second...ive been a gamer for a LONG time and trust me most human always want more and they will do whatever to get it...we fool ourself thinking that humankind are good and all but seriously the stuff we can do just show how wierd and destructive we really are :PThe real problem im having with this idea Knight_Wolf is that its way to much work for nothing...Chaos trist got owned really fast and it was what blizz got out for the powergamer that wanted a challenge...so i doubt this would make it more fun since people would eventually find a build that could just breeze through the entire "challenge" on its own..and the "EPIC" feeling of it would seriously get boring fast...im not saying i dont want stuff that give us challenge FAR FROM THAT...but i doubt this idea will keep us busy for long for the huge work it require O_o
and the part about people thinking your UBER...i still see people tell my hammerdin how awesome and uber he is O_o..i doubt you will get it more with this if there is no reward in the end or no title
oh and i really dont think Pking is a problem in D2...seriously i think PvP in Diablo was always dumb as hell...seriously you dont have class that are balanced for Pvp and its just there to be there...also its not really a problem since he can't go after you until he find you...and even then...just use a tp or leave the game if you have no uber char...is that so hard?
not trying to be mean but i really think we could have better idea that require 10x less work and that would work like a major improvement on Chaos trist or Uber D and that would give us 10x more fun also no?|||Quote:
emphasize doesnt mean it will be...just like D2 emphasize teamplay but you still end up fighting to get the loot or people loot stealing and the like
Sigh ... D2 was flawed .. Jay Willson already indicated that they plan to fix all the things that ruined team play in D2 .. oh ... and there will be NO loot stealing in D3 whatsoever.
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..sorry but Diablo is fast paced
having 4 or more character bashing hordes of monsters together makes it even faster paced.
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you call that teamplay?...in WoW you got retard that pay and still make tons of trouble...think a FREE game wont have that LOL rigghhhttt in your dream...go play D2 now and seriously if you really want to teamplay with someone that would backstab you for an HoZ or Soj then you will know what im talking about /wink wink :P
God, already forget about D2 .. D2 is gone ... D3 won't have Player killing or back stabbing .. sigh
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...not that there is only jerk in gaming but 90% of the gamer can change into total retard in a matter of second...ive been a gamer for a LONG time and trust me most human always want more and they will do whatever to get it...we fool ourself thinking that humankind are good and all but seriously the stuff we can do just show how wierd and destructive we really are :P
That's exactly why the devs won't let everyone run rampage and do as they please ruining other's play time.
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and the part about people thinking your UBER...i still see people tell my hammerdin how awesome and uber he is O_o..i doubt you will get it more with this if there is no reward in the end or no title
Single skill builds like in D2 won't be possible in D3, they are making the class skills with the idea that you need to have at least 5 or 6 skills as the pillar of your character build.
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oh and i really dont think Pking is a problem in D2...seriously i think PvP in Diablo was always dumb as hell...seriously you dont have class that are balanced for Pvp and its just there to be there...also its not really a problem since he can't go after you until he find you...and even then...just use a tp or leave the game if you have no uber char...is that so hard?
It's not hard as much as it is a stupid annoyance that is not needed .. if some mechanic ruins the play time of many people then its place is the garbage bin.
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not trying to be mean but i really think we could have better idea that require 10x less work and that would work like a major improvement on Chaos trist or Uber D and that would give us 10x more fun also no?
No you are not being mean or anything .. but from you comment i can see that you are still entrenched deeply in the mindset of D2 and expect D3 to be some sort of expansion to D2 or D2.5 .. it won't be .. it is a whole new game .. just like D2 was to D1.|||Diablo I was inspired largely by Nethack... and Nethack was based on Rogue... an early ASCII-graphics Unix game that I used to enjoy back in the late seventies
And Rogue was an infinite, random dungeon. I've always loved that concept
So, yeah, I'm for it. Make it single-player friendly though, not a group-only thing. And put in rare random surprises... mini-bosses of course, but also shops, shrines, special level types to keep things lively and somewhat unpredictable.
I like the idea of having a heaven-based anti-dungeon too. I've spent far too much of my gaming life in levels featuring lava
Graphically you could do some much more original things with Heaven.|||well actually D1 to D2 WAS a upgrade...and not a total new game..but i know what you mean...alots of stuff changed..but still it stay Diablo there is stuff that stay the same...most are just the mechanic of some stuff in D changingalso in game ive found that people tend to abuse the power their given and find alots of way to grief other player in some way ruining their pleasure...i seriously dont get that most are kid...i hope...i had a friend when i was younger that sucked in gaming and basicly he just did that kind of stuff and had fun by ruinning the fun of other...ive never been for that and never will be...its already a pain having to play with human that are greedy as hell and have no honor at all so griefing just add to the destruction of your experience...just for exemple people that say they are rushing you throught hell and leave you there...seriously people dont follow them unless they are rushing a friend else its a scam...even then be sure you got a high char that can clear or rush you throught hell if you try that(personaly this happened to me once...and never will ever again :P)
i agree that Diablo PvP was always useless and mostly people wanting to grief other...there is almost no balance in D2 for class vs class combat anyway and it would be a HUGE task to balance it for both and it would probly end up being people griefing other and just a few that would actually PvP for real...and seriously ive never had any problem with PvP....how the hell did you get you're playtime ruined by it Knight_wolf?
as for the part of using 5 or 6 skill this as yet to be proved(what if what they are talking about would be combined with passive)...the char in the vid weve seen were cheated to show us the most...if you've played TQ you would know that using that many skill in a fast paced game can end up very badly making it not diverse but actually breaking alots of the fun factor...why would the barb need that many AoE instead of trying to get stomp and leap and other skill that will actually make him more versatile....thats also a huge possibility...since i doubt you will use different skill more then you used in D2 at the same time....you will probly have a spam spell and some that are just occasional one just like D2...in hell i use tele,static and dmg +AoE dmg some time on a sorc...sooo...yeah will probly be that + spell or skill like slow time and such utility spell to cast from time to time for some hard archer part and the like
i know there is no loot stealing in D3 cause we have all our own loot that drop for each char in the game but it was just a way to show that people will find way to destroy the gameplay of other because of greed...and D2 wasnt FLAWED...it had its bad mechanic just like any other game...not alots imo compared to game that come out these day with only graphic and no more fun...the worst is people are actually stupid enought to pay for that kind fo crap...hell D2 is less repetitive then most game that come out these day and people are still think D2 is just click,click,click,click....did they even play it...and i dont mean put the disk,install,play for 1hr and say it suck and its repetitive i mean really play it like most of us did
also the 100 lvl thingy seem like FF type of stuff and like i said you need to build the actual encounter and not randomize it so people have equal chance of getting to the top/bottom of it...i like duran idea ALOTS more then this about the siege kind of thing were you have to defend a place from the invading army
also in the early interview when D3 wasnt "official"(like not even 1 year ago...so probly not a rumor since they were in the progress of already making it) they said they would make it that you fight in heaven and then in hell with awesome architecture and glowy thingy :P...so i say it would be the last act or the act before the last act....but just speculating on that they maybe changed their plan to keep this for the exp
oh and i really dont get how you would know that there will not be any backstabbing...and so far there isnt any word on pvp....i really dont get how you can talk about stuff they didint even discuss or stuff that you wont have a clue until someone does it to you...human find way to destroy the fun of other...its a fact in Online game...they will probly always find way to ruin other fun...wether its for their own amusement or pure greed or vengance/hatred....i doubt you can know that it wont happen when the game isnt out yiet...D1 had griefer,D2 had them and guess what D3 will have them...the thing im worried about is how far can they go this time in D3
also Knight_Wolf do you hate D2?....you seem to be pissed off by it in every thread O_o...most of the time people mean that D3 stay Diablo and D2 in some way...they wont remake a totally new game you know it stay Diablo like i said...mostly so far they are fixing the bad side of D2 and improving others for now|||Quote:
well actually D1 to D2 WAS a upgrade...and not a total new game..but i know what you mean...alots of stuff changed..but still it stay Diablo there is stuff that stay the same...most are just the mechanic of some stuff in D changing
No it is a total new game .. more than 40% of the game systems and structure got changed and revoked .. which is exactly what's happening to D3 now .. you just can't see it cause you played D2 too much and got your "Elite" head stuck in it.
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and seriously ive never had any problem with PvP....how the hell did you get you're playtime ruined by it Knight_wolf?
Hmmmm ... look at what you will say few passages below .. you answer yourself really
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also in game ive found that people tend to abuse the power their given and find alots of way to grief other player in some way ruining their pleasure...i seriously dont get that most are kid...i hope...i had a friend when i was younger that sucked in gaming and basicly he just did that kind of stuff and had fun by ruinning the fun of other...ive never been for that and never will be...its already a pain having to play with human that are greedy as hell and have no honor at all so griefing just add to the destruction of your experience...just for exemple people that say they are rushing you throught hell and leave you there...seriously people dont follow them unless they are rushing a friend else its a scam...even then be sure you got a high char that can clear or rush you throught hell if you try that(personaly this happened to me once...and never will ever again :P)
i agree that Diablo PvP was always useless and mostly people wanting to grief other...there is almost no balance in D2 for class vs class combat anyway and it would be a HUGE task to balance it for both and it would probly end up being people griefing other and just a few that would actually PvP for real
That pretty much answers you question above ... and that's why many changes are being made to D3 to insure it's party action and PvP are PLAYABLE.
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as for the part of using 5 or 6 skill this as yet to be proved(what if what they are talking about would be combined with passive)
You sound like you never saw a single gameplay video .. in all seriousness ... it is very obiious that the 6 skills i mentioned are the 6 skills you have on your quick-belt (1,2,3,4 and two mouse buttons) .. passives are out of this equation ... they do play a role in character builds but active skills are the main foundation for builds.
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the char in the vid weve seen were cheated to show us the most...if you've played TQ you would know that using that many skill in a fast paced game can end up very badly making it not diverse but actually breaking alots of the fun factor.
The gameplay videos looked pretty much fun to me .. and cheating to get some extra mana doesn't mean the the gameplay won't be very similar to what we saw .. one possible build for the WD can very well be using 5 or 6 skills all the time (zombie dogs - locust+zombie dogs - skull of fire+zombie dogs - zombie wall - soul harvest ) can all be used in various ways and combinations.
Also what you are saying is down right illogical .. how can be spamming one or two skills is fun and diverse while using 5 or 6 skills strategically is not fun or diverse ... sigh ... using one or two skills and spamming them is "more diverse" !!!! .. did you even proof read what you wrote !!?
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i know there is no loot stealing in D3 cause we have all our own loot that drop for each char in the game but it was just a way to show that people will find way to destroy the gameplay of other because of greed
Very weird excuse ... if people will find a way to destroy gameplay anyway .. then we should make sure they get LESS CHANCES at doing so ... it's common sense.
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...and D2 wasnt FLAWED...it had its bad mechanic just like any other game...not alots imo compared to game that come out these day with only graphic and no more fun...the worst is people are actually stupid enought to pay for that kind fo crap...hell D2 is less repetitive then most game that come out these day and people are still think D2 is just click,click,click,click....did they even play it...and i dont mean put the disk,install,play for 1hr and say it suck and its repetitive i mean really play it like most of us did
D2 was flawed like many other games of its time .. it was better than them but still has its share of flaws ... denying that only shows how much your head is stuck deep in the D2 bucket.
And yes it gets repetitive after playing it for a couple of times, people keep playing it for other reasons different from it being non-repetitive ... usually doing REPETITIVE BAAL RUNS to get some stupidly rare item they want to use to exploit the game or annoy other players trying to level up ... those obviously suffered from e-peen problems .... few other hardcore players fought over ladder positions also .... but all those are the "l337" minority (out of 8 millions who bought D2 only few thousands did this) ... other normal players got their share of fun but eventually got tired, bored, uninstalled the game and moved on to other games until they felt like playing D2 again sometime later.
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also Knight_Wolf do you hate D2?....you seem to be pissed off by it in every thread O_o...most of the time people mean that D3 stay Diablo and D2 in some way...they wont remake a totally new game you know it stay Diablo like i said...mostly so far they are fixing the bad side of D2 and improving others for now
I don't hate D2, i can only see its flaws objectively like the Devs do (cause that's the first thing anyone must look for when making a sequel .. FIX ALL THE PROBLEMS OF THE PREVIOUS GAME) .... so i get very annoyed seeing people still stuck in their D2 fantasies and mindset and want to force it on everyone else ... the same goes for SC2 too.
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also the 100 lvl thingy seem like FF type of stuff and like i said you need to build the actual encounter and not randomize it so people have equal chance of getting to the top/bottom of it...i like duran idea ALOTS more then this about the siege kind of thing were you have to defend a place from the invading army
Ahm ... back on topic ... the dungeon doesn't have to be designed to be fair at all .... quite the contrary ... being random (chaotic) will ensure no one will be able to design a character/build that can specifically beat that dungeon .. if the that dungeon was pre-designed it will be infested with runners using "dungeon-defeating-cookie-cutter-builds" in no time .... and that's not the point of this idea at all .. it has to be largely chaotic and unpredictable.
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Diablo I was inspired largely by Nethack... and Nethack was based on Rogue... an early ASCII-graphics Unix game that I used to enjoy back in the late seventies
And Rogue was an infinite, random dungeon. I've always loved that concept
So, yeah, I'm for it. Make it single-player friendly though, not a group-only thing. And put in rare random surprises... mini-bosses of course, but also shops, shrines, special level types to keep things lively and somewhat unpredictable.
I like that
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Exactly
|||No! Knight_Wolf! You've been infected by Psycho! you replaced all your punctuation with Ellipses!Sedmeriah, it sounds like you've never played multiplayer. In Battle.net, not only do the monsters reset, but the layout of the whole dungeon as well. That's how it's going to be in D3.|||Quote:
No! Knight_Wolf! You've been infected by Psycho! you replaced all your punctuation with Ellipses!
lols, actually it's bad habit i have been trying to get rid of .... but ... old ... habits .. die .. hard
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